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to spend time as equals with young men who had kept up their interest in scouting. there was nothing like good work to bring people together. i'm hoping the men of good will will find a way to keep scouting alive .bring good men in the door to keep going what was for me a great part of growing up scout's honor. that's "hardball" for now. thanks for being with us. all in with chris hayes starts right now. tonight on "all in" -- >> i would submit to you that every single issue is moral. >> the scandal around america's cable culture warriors continues to erupt. guess which presidential candidate is standing by their duggar? dan savage is here with reaction. then, the unbelievable way this politician just announced a love child with his former receptionist. >> everybody knows that chase is my boy. >> plus the 12-year-old shot and killed by cleveland police. tonight, why six months later there are no charges in the case of demur rice. and all in at the movies --
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>> we are not. >> why is there is more consensus on "mad max" than there is on global warming. >> where is she taking them? >> "all in" starts now. >> good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. big news coming out of the cross-section of the conservative cross wars and reality tv. tonight, josh duggar featured on the hit reality show "19 kids and counting" finds himself at the center of a sexual abuse scandal that has forced him to resign from his position at a conservative lobbying group. allegations by duggar were first revealed by a 2006 police report. he was accused of sexually molesting five underaged girls. some while they slept in 2002 and 20 on 3. the now 27-year-old married father of three does not deny these allegations. he issued a statement on
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thursday. 12 years ago as a young teenager i acted inexcusably for which i am extremely sorry and deeply regret. i confessed this to my parents who took several steps to help me address the wagz. we spoke to the authorities where i confessed my wrongdoing and my parents arranged for me and those affected by my action to receive counseling. >> you know josh duggar from the reality show "19 kids and counting," monitoring the lives of a prolific christian family. the parents have since issued their own statement, in part, when josh was a young teenager he made some bad mistakes. that dark and difficult time caused us to seek god like never before. today, tlc announced it was pulling the show from its schedule, but was not clear about long-term plans. we're depply troubled and saddened by this heartbreaking situation. our thoughts and prayers with are the family and victims at this point in time. the fallout from this story extends beyond the world of
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cable. the duggars have been prominent advocates championing anti-choice laelgz speaking out against marriage equality positioning themselves as outspoken critic of the lgbt community. up until yesterday, josh duggar worked with a stridently anti-gay organization and once argued an organization could jeopardize the safety of children. >> enacting additional laws that are trying to protect one group of people over another is not really the solution. in fact it has often the inverse effect on others. we have to make sure we're standing up to t right of privacy and protecting the well being of women and children in our cities. >> yesterday, duggar resigned from his position at the head of the research family council's political arm. that group posting this statement. josh believes the situation will make it difficult for him to be effective myself current work. yeah. we believe this is the best decision for josh and his family at this time.
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yet before these allegations came to light, he was placed in contact with plenty of high profile republican presidential hopefuls, scott walker jeb bush, rick santorum who was endorsed by the duggar family in 2012 and mike huckabee a duggar family friend who has gotten the duggar seal of approval. today, the former arkansas governor posted a message on facebook confirming his support for the family. reading josh's action when he was an underrnd age teen are, as he described them himself, unexcusable, but that doesn't mean unforgiveable. perhaps. but the details released were pretty horrific. he reportedly sought help from church elders in 2003 and did not call police. authorities were told josh duggar was sent away for months of hard physical work and counseling. investigation into the allegations was finally open in
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2006 when someone, we don't know who, e-mailed the oprah winfrey show. the oprah winfrey show then passed along the information to authorities. the statute of limitations had run out and no charges were filed. yesterday the records were expunged at the request of one of the unnamed minors. there is a lot here. there is a lot of different complicated ways i feel about this entire story. your reaction to this particularly given the political role the duggar family josh duggar in particular have played on issues like marriage equality. >> not so much marriage equality. the duggars vocally and actively opposed an lgbt actively civil rights ordinance in fayetteville where they live. and michelle duggar josh duggar's mom argued that this law presented a danger to little girls particularly because it
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would allow transwomen to use bathrooms. and it was in the best interest of children to repeal this lgbt law. at the same time, having covered up for and protected her son who had actually molested at least five little girls that we know of is just staggering. it's galling. and the other thing i think to remember, i've been following this on twitter and online i believe it's a discomforting expression almost -- delight on the part of some people i agree with. politically i'm on the left. we have to remember as we talk about this that five little girls -- at least five little girls -- were abused and molested and there's nothing here to take delight in or to celebrate. >> i 100% agree. and i also have seen that tone creep in in some places and found it pretty gross. the other thought i keep thinking about is we have conversations constantly about family values. i just can't -- i'm a parent okay? i've got two kids.
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you're a parent. the thought of this horrible thing that happened in your family with your kids, horrible thing, okay? horrible obviously to the kids who have been victims, also horrible the 14-year-old boy who has done that who you have to hope jesus, what could we do to make sure this doesn't happen again and to choose to put yourself out as a national television product knowing that your family is keeping this secret and the weight that is bearing down on everyone in your family just as parent it just gob smacks me. it gobsmacks me to do this to your kids. >> and to the other kids. one of the other things i think that is so creepy about this whole situation is the duggars with their 19 children are very vocal on television about the fact that the older children are really placed in a parental role, that they play a role in parenting their younger children. so this abuse may not have been experienced by the children who were abused in quite the same way if it was interfamily.
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not sibling on sibling, but parent on child almost which is more potentially damaging. and as far as we know no counseling, really, of any sort was made available to these kids as far as we know at this time. it's still unfolding, still coming out. >> the point you made about the sort of language we use about danger to children danger to children is a language that's used in politics particularly in all sorts of way toes pass all kinds of policies, sometimes dangertory children is used as an excuse to beat back marriage equality or lgbt rights sometimes to pass certain laws or increase sentences. and this is a stark reminder. i've done a lot of reporting on the catholic church actually where danger to children comes from. the vast majority of these incidents are happening among people that are invited into the home for whatever reason. that's the hardest truth to come across, and it's not the one that is politically convenient when we create the idea of the sort of foreign invader that we have to barricade against. >> right.
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it doesn't jibe with the whole stranger danger concept. we want to put this risk and threat outside our families. we want to pretent $some creepy horrible duggars. steads demonstrate what's likely to happen when someone is assaulted by someone they know. what we see from the religious rite is this -- gay couples who want to marry present a threat to the institution of marriage. it's not straight couples who are committing adultery or telling themselves lies about adultery or divorcing that they're a threat to the institution of marriage. it's same-sex couples that wish to marry. even evangelicals are more likely to divorce than nonee van gel casss, responsibility to what they're doing to -- and
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most molestation happens within families. when we talk about it, when religious conservatives talk about it they want to point a finger at nonfamily, they want to point a finger at those who they define as families not from or having families of their own. that is what the duggars have dug in on, attacking transpeople and opposing this lgbt rights bit in fayetteville where they were out there arguing that the threat to little girls in fayetteville were transwomen when they knew -- when they were covering for someone who demonstrated that he at least at that age, was a threat to little girls himself. >> dan savage thank you very much. appreciate it. joining me now, psychologist janet taylor. dr. taylor let me start with you. you had strong reaction to the mike huckabee statement. you know there's part of me that agrees with the mike huckabee statement. in fact, all of me agrees that
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inexcusable is not the same as unforgiveable. i guess my point is that i would like for that ek what anymorety in large part of this to be extended past the circle of ultra christian conservatives who has to be family friends of the huckabees. >> yeah. well my issue is sexual abuse is a criminal act and is not a mistake. and a 14-year-old who presumably knows right from wrong should not be in a position to be excused. he should be in a position to be charged and held accountable. >> but isn't -- david, do you agree with that? >> not in the slightest. i mean look make no mistake about it i don't want to be an apology for -- an apology gist for their views, but at the same time there is politics of personal destruction that concerns me. from everything i've seen they haven't come forward. there's no indication that anything happened again. he was contrite, he apologized he was forthright with his family and -- you do sound like
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an apology. >> i know. but at some point, really what would punishment have done? >> well we don't -- >> punishment would give justice to the victims. no one is talking about these incident victims that presumably we don't know if they got treatment, we don't know if they had justice, we don't know if they had an apology. >> we don't know what they would have wanted. we don't know what they do want. >> what this would have wanted was not to be forcibly touched against they their will. >> but you know what? i reject the idea that every single victim wants nothing by vengeance and incarceration. i don't know if this was interfamily or not, but i can certainly imagine a situation in which siblings forgive siblings and at that point it seems to me the government might be wrong to step in and insist on incarceration. people do go to prison for a very long time and have their lives ruined for this sort of thing. >> do you understand that victims lives are ruined because of the stigma of silence and
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people fought being held accountable? >> but i don't understand where you get the idea that they have been silenced. we don't know one way or another. >> let me intervene and touch on two things okay? one is there's a question about whether this should have been handled by the authorities. dr. taylor it sounds to me like you think they should have. >> it's -- there is no question. there are people and teenagers who are in jail right now for sexual assault and sexual abuse. teenager s teenagers account for 20% of the rapes in this family. why should he be excused? >> my strong feeling on the authorities being called is my strong feeling is yes. so let's be clear you have to report this stuff. it's not cool for forgiving or
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all in the family to just go to the pastor or whoever. >> agreed completely. i think that is perfectly fine to report. >> it's legally required. >> and ethically required. >> and ethically required. it does seem to me complicating in this instance. we are talking about a person who himself is a minor. 14 years old at the time this is done. >> exactly. >> dr. taylor my understanding is that doesn't -- you think that that is not sufficiently mitigating. >> if age was an excuse for wrong behavior we would have a lot of people who are not in jails or incarcerated right now. >> it's a crime. it's a crime. it's a criminal act. >> right. but let me just push on this for a little bit. that itself is not a substantive defense. there are people who are serving incredibly long terms who are charged as adults as 14 yield
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14-year-olds who i don't think should be in there. it's unclear that the juvenile justice system in particular handles this stuff well. would you agree? >> they do, but we have aa justice system. in this case he was fought entered it into as far as we know and that's where the problem is. >> let me ask you this david. this is an important question i think. i think we understand this crime as necessarily habitual and in some fundamental way as essential to the person committing it, right? >> right. >> that this is -- that people are child molesters, pedophiles who are not and if they are, they will keep doing this if you let them. what do we know about the -- what the research says about whether that's true or not? >> well, the research certainly suggests that if you are a pedophile, that is a -- that that is a choice and also a fact. that said, as we know with all kinds of disfavored behaviors, the fact that you want to do something doesn't mean you do
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it. alcoholics don't always drink. smokers quit smoking. by the way, this is no evidence whatsoever in this case that he's done anything other than what he's alleged to have done back then. >> but that of course is the horrifying shoe that we are all hoping doesn't drop because i've covered enough of this -- and, again, i know nothing, but particularly in the context of the church where behaviors did not suddenly go away even when people cross their fingers and hope after father had a little time away or got a little bit of counselloring or got a little bit of hard behavior that the person would come back cured. and guess what? >> they weren't cured. >> they were very much not cured. >> and it is perfectly plausible and i would hazard a guess that given the firestorm surrounding this whole thing, we'll know about it soon enough. >> right. and dr. taylor the other point to me here what you talked about in terms of taboo and keeping the victims in mind the secrecy and taboo around this is both morally appropriate and
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also it appears to me the kind of thing that keeps the cycle going in which people won't report won't come out about it. >> well it keeps it going. trauma is a major public health concern. we have victims of sexual abuse and trauma who have long-term sequela. their functioning over the long time can be severely impacted by one incident. and the reality is 10% of childhood and teenage sexual offenders l -- 10% of people do not -- 90% do not reoffend. be you don't know that until you do the right examination, which means looking at their underlying psychological structure, xwans substance abuse, there is so much we don't know, we cannot excuse this behavior. >> and that point, to me, is the one that sticks out here is that proper care was not taken in this instance in a way that is sort of horrifying to me. at the same time i do think the fact that he was 14 and
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presumably this was sealed for a reason it was under wraps for a reason complicates things a little bit. dr. janet taylor david if he igis, thank you very much. >> thank you. straight ahead, the strange behavior of a virginia politician. plus the phenomenon of "mad max." up and next the age of liberalism has dawned in america, but it might not be what we were expecting. boys? (music) stop less, go more. the passat tdi clean diesel with up to 814 hwy miles per tank. hurry in, and you can get 0% apr for 72 months on 2015 passat tdi models plus a total of $1500 in available bonuses. right now, verizon is offering unlimited talk and text. plus 10 gigs of shareable data. yeah, 10 gigantic gigs. for $80 a month. and $15 per line. more data than ever. for more of what you want. on the network that's #1 in speed, call, data, and reliability.
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right at this moment they're counting the votes in ireland where something incredible happened today. for the first time in human history on this planet, a nation went to the polls to vote in a national referendum on marriage equality, it would amend the constitution to allow same-sex couples to marry before the state. organizers believe the turnout will be historic. and the fact that this could even take place in the fiercely catholic country of ireland says something about the direction this issue is going, not just here in the u.s. but across the world, particularly in europe. now, here in the u.s. we've seen a polling reversal unlike anything i've ever seen in my life. let me show you what polling on same-sex marriage looks like. in 1996 27% said yes, and 68% said no.
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here we are in 2015 and those numbers have almost completely reversed. 60% now saying yes, that is an absolute record in that polling. 37% saying no. but while that gets a lot of attention, there's another polling result that might be more indicative of where the nation is in terms of its general feeling on social issues. and that's this poll. this is views on social issues. it asks people to classify themselves as very conservative conservative or very liberal and liberal. for the very first time in that history, liberals and conservatives are tied. liberals are facing an 18 point deficit. for the last 16 years, liberals in america, the left and the democratic party by extension, have been rolling a rock uphill always on the wrong side of the issues, always trying to convince the skeptical public we share their values. we may be at a tipping point and
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i think that is the most profound issue in politics. joining me now is tim carney senior political columnist at the "washington examiner." tim, let's stipulate for a moment there is no connection between popularity and rightness of view, right? so i have lots of views that are correct and unpopular. so let's just separate those for a second about the actual -- whether the views are correct. do you think this -- tell me how you feel the conservative right, people who consider themselves socially conservative understand this trajectory particularly starting on marriage equality but extending outward. >> first, it's important to -- if you were to put up the gappul chart about abortion numbers, from the 90s through now, it's mostly flat but i'd see a slight move in the direction of
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pro direct. the country is becoming more conservative. but another is -- i mean today, the main guy who talked at the oklahoma southern relationship council, bobby gindal he put it all in the context of religious freedom. that's what i would say, yes. soon we social conservatives will be a minority. and i hope that you, chris, as a liberal will look out for the civil rights of this minority and their conscious rights and free democrat of association and the right to live their lives and conduct their private business according to the way that they want. i think that is certainly the case, that christians social conservatives are looking around saying, all right, we just want to be able to live our own lives according to our conscious. that is a view that is growing on the right. that is an emphasis that is growing on the right. >> this is really key and it's key to understanding how the trajectory of this because there's a number of issues having to do with what i think social conservatives would say conscious issues.
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supreme court cases around birth control and the affordable care act, the waiver notre dame has to sign to get the religious concession and these religious laws religious of freedom, we have seen those rights rally around those that, say, five ten years ago they were rallying around gay marriage issues in the united states. it's almost like to treat this bulk head. is that a fair assessment? >> i think it's exactly that religious freedom protection sess the way that social conservatives, especially christians, see sort of the terms of their surrenders. there's the idea that marriage would be defined, the way that marriage would be defined according to a christian teaching on state by state levels. mostly because of the courts but now as you're saying the public opinion that is following it. so fine get married, do whatever you want. live and let live. but maybe if you're a wedding photographer, you should be allowed to decide which way to
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shoot. maybe if you own a store, you should describe what sort of prescription drugs you're going to faye for for her. >> i think it points to descriptively why those issues will have tremendous sailants in the campaign because that's the place that i think republican candidates are going to feel like they're on more solid ground, because they have stronger public support and they can kind of create a coalition between social conservatives and libertarians on those sort of more narrow issues right? you'll see them dig in on that. >> yes. >> i think even someone like jeb bush who isn't identifying himself as a real crusader on social issues necessarily right now. >> well yes. and i consider myself a conservative and libertarian at the same time. and some people think that's a contradiction contradiction. but i was telling me conservative friends, in the culture wars pretty soon you're going to be on our side. there are countries where the cultural right is trying to impose its morality.
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but the way it looks now is it's that you're not allowed to run your own wedding photography business according to your own morality .you're conservative. and you get -- as they move more and more into the minority -- i am judiciously -- i am judiciously not engaging the substance of that argument which i think is flawed or at least the framing of it is. but let me ask you this how do you think people understand that question when they're asking socially liberal and socially conservative? i think one of the things that changes is a basket of issues has changed. so i think they're thinking primarily -- i think what people tend to think about as far as issues are lgbt and marijuana. >> exactly. and those are issues that if you're primarily thinking about, say, abortion then i think you would get different answers. if it means live and let live, people say you know should gay
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people be allowed to get married? should you be cool with people being gay? should you allowed to smoke pot? i think increasingly if you could pull that when you say you're sociologically liberal, what do you mean? by some questions, i'm a socially liberal guy. >> the key factor i think that is key in this is that the psychological turn from being a majority to being a minority on some of these issues i think it's going to have huge resonance on the campaign. >> and on the flip side when the left is going from the minority to the majority how will they behave? >> yep. thank you very much. up next it's bad enough when a politician impregnates his underage receptionist. even worse when he decides somehow to take one of those weird photos as a way of breaking the news. your insurance company's all too happy to raise your rates. maybe you should've done a little more research on them. for drivers with accident forgiveness liberty mutual won't raise your rates due to your first accident.
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all right. i'm going to tell you a few things that you need to know about former virginia delegate joe morrisonhe's running for state senate as an independent after the democratic committee rejected him from their ticket. another, this is the picture of the 56-year-old morisey with the former receptionist at his law office taken on mother's day. they're joined by their 9-week-old son, chase. they took place be dressed in an at the bellum style in the south. you should know that in december of last year morrisy pleaded to a misdemeanor count of
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contributing to the dliktsy of a minor in connection with an alleged relationship with pride when she was 17 years old. both morsy and pride have consistently denied their relationship began when she was under 18. police said they found naked pictures of pride on morrisey's phone as well as a text message she sent to a third party that read quote, o-m-g, i just f'ed my boss. morrisy explained the texts charging that him .pride's phones had been hacked. following his plea to the lesser charge morsi resigned from office and was sentenced to six months in jail sparring a special election for his seat. but thanks to a work release program, he was able to campaign in same said special election and was, drum roll please re-elected to his seat this time as an independent. he served in that role until march when he left to run for the state senate and decided to
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open up about his relationship with pride. and that is where the picture comes in. morrisy personally handed this picture of himself and pride with the baby to a local reporter. when asked if the picture was confirmation that chase is indeed, his son, he said no. but this week morrisey decided to come clean. >> a lot of people like you in one regard but they don't like the fact -- and let me get through this and say it with as respectful as i can. that you come to the community and you have an affair with a young lady produce a baby and you walk away from it never apologize, never say anything no regrets. that's joe morrissey. >> let's stop right there. >> okay. >> where, jack in this universe do us walk away from it? >> okay. >> walk away from it? i got up in this morning and the first person i kissed was chase. >> your baby? >> my baby. >> your son? >> my son. i don't walk away from anything.
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i have -- >> joe, have you ever admitted that publicly your son? >> everybody knows that chase is my boy. >> oh, but have you ever admitted it? >> yes. did it 30 seconds ago. >> okay. >> ladies and gentlemen, i think i may have a -- joe morsi admitted for the first time i know publicly admitted that choice is his son. >> morsi admitted he did not have sex with pride until she was 18. and they showed up with plans yesterday which they announced at a press conference. >> shortly after chase was born, murna let me know that she would like two and three and the fourth one. so, yes, we'll get married. >> okay. i guess i wish them all the best but also maybe don't vote for this dude. years' grant recipients are achieving amazing things. carving a name for myself and creating local jobs. creating more programs for these little bookworms.
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and killed by police. rice was shot and killed while playing with a replica pemette gun in december. more than six months into the investigation of his death, no charges have been filed, nothing. and now an explosive document has surfaced that gives more details on the police version of events. an innocent report filed a week after tamir rice was shot and killed classifies rice as a suspect and lists two charges 12-year-old rice could have faced had he not been shot and killed. the first charge is aggravated menacing and the second inducing panic. the report lists the state of ohio, officer layman who shot and killed rice and officer garback as a victim. in a statement cleveland mayor mike jackson's office says rice was never charged with a crime saying the document that is being referred to is an incident report from that night. it is not listed in the official charges scene. the document gives an indication of what rice might have been
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charged with had he not been abated by death. yesterday i asked for another response from the incident report. >> chris, it's just outrageous, the family of tamir rice can't believe it when you look at that videotape that somebody would put in black and white in a police report that tamir was at fault for his death. it just flies in the face of all common sense and, really humanity. when you think about this child was, in less than one second shot by the police. there was no de-escalation or anything like that. if anything the police escalated the situation. and i will tell you, chris, it goes right in line with the answer from the city attorneys when we filed the complaint in the civil matter. you remember their response was tamir rice was at fault for his own death because he should have been more careful.
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>> we are past six months since the death of tamir rice. the family was only recently granted custody of his body. there seems to be remarkably little progress on any kind of investigation, particularly when you compare to baltimore where freddie gray the officers that arrested freddie gray were charged within three weeks. what are you hearing from the sheriff's department there about what the status of this investigation is? >> well the only thing we know is that they are investigating. that's what they have continued to tell the family and the public. and it really doesn't make sense when you compare it to freddie gray where they don't have a video of the entire incident with the tragedy of tamir rice you have a video that cap ters the entire tragedy. and so you -- there's no
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justification why it's taken so long to make a decision in tamir rice's case other than if you believe they are intentionally just delaying so they can try to sweep his death under the rug. >> do you think that's the case? >> well that's normally the case. the standard operating procedure that i've found in cases i've done all over america. you just continue to say there's an investigation going on it's an ongoing investigation, and you just keep reporting the same line until people stop asking. but people are not going to forget about tamir rice. this was a 12-year-old child that was killed on video and it breaks your heart every time you watch that video. >> there have been reports, i believe it was about two weeks back that tamir rice's mother was in fairley dire economic straights and she actually had found herself in a shelter. can you give an update on the financial status of the rice
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family? >> well there's been an outpouring of donationes and support for tamir's family. his mother -- you have to remember, chris, tamir was killed a block away from his house. every time they walk out of their front door they got a vivid reminder of where this tragedy took place, where she lost her baby boy. and so psychologically, it had a great effect on her and she put in for newhousing and, you know sometimes bureaucracy can take a long time to actually have her moved. and it just became too much where she said she had to get out of there and so she went to a homeless shelter. and now she's into another apartment and she's trying to make it the best she can. her and her other children. but it's extremely difficult when you have to deal with this
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ongoing investigation and you are still trying to greet the loss of a 12-year-old child. >> thank you so much benjamin crump. still ahead, the sprawling summer movie season has been kicked off by a feminist friendly action film "mad max. ." all in the movies, up next. ." all in the movies, up next. ." all in the movies, up next. constipated? .yea dulcolax tablets can cause cramps but not phillips. it has magnesium and works more naturally than stimulant laxatives. for gentle cramp free relief of occasional constipation that works! mmm mmm live the regular life.
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and then it made me laugh. amy explains signs the media sees them as too old. >> you know how you're on a movie set, you go to wardrobe and the only thing they have for you to wear are long sweaters, cover you up from head to toe. >> i didn't get this commercial last week for aarp because the director said i was too old to play larry king's wife. >> all in the movies, next.
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max." i think mad max in the last week has filled the void left by mad men in among the chattering critical class. >> absolutely. >> all the stuff being written about mad men is now turn to go "mad max" because people love this g-d movie so much. why? >> well, it's a classic opportunity of an example -- you know of a chance to see what is on the face of it problem entertainment, what is a big, expensive, blow em up action summer movie, but yet there's all of this interesting subtext, there's all of this stuff to dig out of it. there's so many interesting ways to look at this movie and so many things that it's doing that you don't expect to see when you go to the multi plex. >> here is my "mad men" related theory. like don draper says nostalgia can be difficult but potent. and i think that's what we're seeing nostalgia for the old "mad max" back when mel gibson
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starred in it. we don't want mel againston to star in anywhere else. we have char lease they are ron. she's really the star of this story. this summer at the movies women are getting more of a chance than usual. look at what the number one movie has been for a while. "pitch perfect 2." "pitch perfect 2" and "mad max" were the big winners last weekend. why is it -- explain the feminism to me. >> basically, the journey of the film, as we said you know the title is what the title is. but char theron is the star of the movie. it is about freeing women who were basically sex slaves. she was brought on to consult to the manner with which they were
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treating mannerers of sexual violence. >> that is amazing. >> yeah. someone also -- also a director actually caring in the context of like a big -- like the film like how are we treating, you know victims of sexual harassment? >> i'm going to pass on the feminism in it because i think of the three guys on the table, my 9-year-old daughter can probably leap through to stop me. >> the other thing about this film that i saw, a number of people know which i thought was fascinating is there's a bunch of people talking about the effects and how non-cgi it was. i don't know if the director database talking about they built all that stuff, right? there's a guy with a fire shooting guitar .they rigged autopsy guitar that shoots fire. these vehicles you see are actual vehicles that got built. and i do think there's something, too, i think we have grown weary of the almost kind of like the flattening marginal returns of insane cgi effects. now there's this incredible pop
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to actual physical -- >> i think we do long for real danger. we know to know stunt men and stunt women did something worthy of their names. if you go back and watch the o original "mad max," the second one -- someone died. >> we don't want to see that happen. we don't want to spoil anything that happens here. but it is impressive to see real things happen. because after a while, the crazy over the top cgi effects, because they risk so much we know that can't happen. >> and we're really seeing especially amongst fans along with the return of practical effects, one of the things we're hearing in advance about the new star wars movie is j.j. abrahams is making a big deal they're building the robots they're retreating from the entirely green screen world that george lucas created in the prequal. >> charlizetheron if she's not
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there, we don't care what's around her. >> tomorrow a movie is open background the ride at disneyland? >> vaguely. but it's not about people going to disney land and getting o ride. again, women aren't the center. robertson, a fine young actor. george clooney may be filled to the top, but it's really her story and the story of another young actress, raferty cassidy who plays -- i don't want to give it away, but she plays atina in the movie. it's good movie to take girls to for women to go see. it's some something different to see over the memorial day weekend. >> and "poltergeist," quickly? >> you've seen it. >> i saw "poltergeist" is what you're saying? >> it was the essential problem of why did they bother remake which is they don't bring --
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it's always going to suffer. >> horror movies have moved on since 1982. this movie is still mired in 1982. people won't care that much. >> i didn't see "pitch perfect 2." but i saw "pitch perfect 2" on a plane. what a good movie. >> thanks for joining us. have a great weekend. that is "all in" for this evening. the rachel maddow show starts now with steve kornacki at the helm. good evening. rachel is off tonight, this afternoon. this is what every political journalist in america was doing. they were looking at this screen, the screen you're looking at right there on the state department's official website. and they were waiting and they were waiting some more because they posted the first batch of hillary clinton's e-mails. every single member of the

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